I wanted to say something cool and intelligent about the essay but instead i’ll say i love your writing 😄 it felt like a conversation and the jokes sprinkled in gave my brain a break. “(if you don’t have the dexterity to split a grain of salt you shouldn’t take it at all)).”- i think i rawdogged the article too hard and need to read it again with a corpuscle of salt because i know very little about the subject!
This was an entertaining read! As someone with level 1 ASD who had a multi year long psychotic break at 18 I want to add my experience to add to this point:
"The minimal self is this tacit assumption that your thoughts are your own, your body is your own, and your experience is your own."
One of the major delusions I had during my episode of psychosis was that I was a parasite (a Baldur's Gate worm it you will) in a literal sense. I thought that I had killed the prior host of the body I was in and was extremely paranoid that everyone would find out. I had zero emotional attachment to my loved ones and was intentionally trying to imitate the pre-psychotic-break self.
Ironically that delusion also functioned as a narrative explanation for how I experience life as an Autistic person. I spend a lot of time feeling detached from my humanity and imitating others to fit in with the "real" humans (neurotypicals). I fear people IRL finding out that I'm clinically weird and struggle to empathize or connect with others.
The hyper specificity of sensory input into my brain furthers this feeling that I am not me. I feel very intensely that my actual self (or the seat of my soul) is directly behind the center of my brow bone about two inches deep. I've felt this since I was a child. Which is interesting to me considering the amount of neuroscience research into dysfunction and connectivity of the frontal lobe in Autistic people. Because I have processing delays that effect motor control I often feel more like I'm in a faulty mecha meat suit then the owner of my own hands and feet. Like the differences in that part of my brain literally define my entire life.
It really is wild how similar my experiences of psychosis and my day to day life as and Autistic person have been. The mostly differ in how the (sensory/social) information is interpreted.
Let the record show. That was delightful! It pleased me to learn $3 words and hear very good insights.
You asked for someone with experience to tell you what you missed. Father forgive them....
autism, is a new latin word that is a name for a branch of childhood scizophrenia. It means to reflect a good ol case of morbid self obsession. in short it describes a condition in which a child refuses reality and retreats into their own amusements and fantasies. It's immature for them to do that, and causes all sorts of problems in adapting to life situations. no queens or dragons out here son. just various levels of exploitation and complex bills to pay!
The spooky ancestor of Autism, was a known phenomenon in Medieval times.
Why is Barholomew not active and responsive any more? That's not Bartholomew!
well it looks just like him, except some geographically appropriate evil has stolen our human child. and replaced him with a Changeling.
No one really wants you to know that all of psychology bases on religion. Just with new names, it's why Latin dictionaries keep changing..
On the less paranoid level with less spectral monsters.. Horseshoe theory was naned from Exodus, alexandrian edition, and the lack of understanding and clear definitions in the field keep it very active in discussions online.
In the war between Autists, Narcissists battle true Autists. Both have a morbid affection for their own stories and a near complete disregard for displays of empathy, and social norms. It's just that the Autist will never find the stories of a Narcissist more interesting. She doesn't have dragons either! Life advice do not call the boss a fellow autist with a better haircut. It will end poorly, in most cases.
at that point we get into the triangle language that wants to centralize diverse objects to destroy creativity and resistance by deactivating the power to make distinctions inside of aesthetically similar groups. It's suppression, on the same lines of 1954, be careful about what you complain about, or you will lose your tax exemption.
The support of mental health relies mostly on threat of deprivation and interlocked systems supporting themselves. Everyone is a drug dealer now. It's like Hawaii in about 2010.
as for me, the books my mom read to understand why ritalin was necessary and appropriate to keep Johnny from squirming, had a similar effect as the books about de cluttering. which is to say introduced a topic and never introduced the means or will to do anything about the source.
That probably went off of some of the pre approved topics in the scope of commenting on autismo schizeesmo. The autists of the world would be better served by being called Changelings Again.
aberrant precision (equal attention devoted to all details in a situation) vs aberrant salience (uniquely unequal attention devoted to details in a situation)
This is very intriguing, but I’m struck by the feeling that this theory requires a reductive view of the autism spectrum. For example, the image mentions difficulties with eye contact and understanding other people’s intentions / theory of mind. However, those are not universal autistic traits. Not only do they never emerge for some autistic folks; for others, they dissipate as they age. In fact, some autistic folks *excel* in eye contact and/or understanding others’ intentions, reading body language and subtle prosody cues better than most people. So I’m curious, would that still align with this theory? Or is the reduction necessary for the theory to work?
Yeah I’m totally being reductive here and only highlighting these particular symptoms which I think are important to this theory. The category of autism is so expansive that it’s difficult to unite all the symptoms under a single theory.
Well for whatever dumb reason, it’s easier for my brain to chew on all of this knowing it’s fair to hold the reduction caveat in mind, so thanks for the reply.
a monotropic focus on a singular context that is more specific to the individual rather than the shared context (which could also characterize delusional disorders that center around a single theme and structure all experiences as relating to that theme) see also weak central coherence theory.
I think different genres of contextual collapse is a commonality between autism and schizophrenia, I should have made that more clear.
I wanted to say something cool and intelligent about the essay but instead i’ll say i love your writing 😄 it felt like a conversation and the jokes sprinkled in gave my brain a break. “(if you don’t have the dexterity to split a grain of salt you shouldn’t take it at all)).”- i think i rawdogged the article too hard and need to read it again with a corpuscle of salt because i know very little about the subject!
This was an entertaining read! As someone with level 1 ASD who had a multi year long psychotic break at 18 I want to add my experience to add to this point:
"The minimal self is this tacit assumption that your thoughts are your own, your body is your own, and your experience is your own."
One of the major delusions I had during my episode of psychosis was that I was a parasite (a Baldur's Gate worm it you will) in a literal sense. I thought that I had killed the prior host of the body I was in and was extremely paranoid that everyone would find out. I had zero emotional attachment to my loved ones and was intentionally trying to imitate the pre-psychotic-break self.
Ironically that delusion also functioned as a narrative explanation for how I experience life as an Autistic person. I spend a lot of time feeling detached from my humanity and imitating others to fit in with the "real" humans (neurotypicals). I fear people IRL finding out that I'm clinically weird and struggle to empathize or connect with others.
The hyper specificity of sensory input into my brain furthers this feeling that I am not me. I feel very intensely that my actual self (or the seat of my soul) is directly behind the center of my brow bone about two inches deep. I've felt this since I was a child. Which is interesting to me considering the amount of neuroscience research into dysfunction and connectivity of the frontal lobe in Autistic people. Because I have processing delays that effect motor control I often feel more like I'm in a faulty mecha meat suit then the owner of my own hands and feet. Like the differences in that part of my brain literally define my entire life.
It really is wild how similar my experiences of psychosis and my day to day life as and Autistic person have been. The mostly differ in how the (sensory/social) information is interpreted.
P.S. "diameter-ically" was funny af
are we training AI?
Let the record show. That was delightful! It pleased me to learn $3 words and hear very good insights.
You asked for someone with experience to tell you what you missed. Father forgive them....
autism, is a new latin word that is a name for a branch of childhood scizophrenia. It means to reflect a good ol case of morbid self obsession. in short it describes a condition in which a child refuses reality and retreats into their own amusements and fantasies. It's immature for them to do that, and causes all sorts of problems in adapting to life situations. no queens or dragons out here son. just various levels of exploitation and complex bills to pay!
The spooky ancestor of Autism, was a known phenomenon in Medieval times.
Why is Barholomew not active and responsive any more? That's not Bartholomew!
well it looks just like him, except some geographically appropriate evil has stolen our human child. and replaced him with a Changeling.
No one really wants you to know that all of psychology bases on religion. Just with new names, it's why Latin dictionaries keep changing..
On the less paranoid level with less spectral monsters.. Horseshoe theory was naned from Exodus, alexandrian edition, and the lack of understanding and clear definitions in the field keep it very active in discussions online.
In the war between Autists, Narcissists battle true Autists. Both have a morbid affection for their own stories and a near complete disregard for displays of empathy, and social norms. It's just that the Autist will never find the stories of a Narcissist more interesting. She doesn't have dragons either! Life advice do not call the boss a fellow autist with a better haircut. It will end poorly, in most cases.
at that point we get into the triangle language that wants to centralize diverse objects to destroy creativity and resistance by deactivating the power to make distinctions inside of aesthetically similar groups. It's suppression, on the same lines of 1954, be careful about what you complain about, or you will lose your tax exemption.
The support of mental health relies mostly on threat of deprivation and interlocked systems supporting themselves. Everyone is a drug dealer now. It's like Hawaii in about 2010.
as for me, the books my mom read to understand why ritalin was necessary and appropriate to keep Johnny from squirming, had a similar effect as the books about de cluttering. which is to say introduced a topic and never introduced the means or will to do anything about the source.
That probably went off of some of the pre approved topics in the scope of commenting on autismo schizeesmo. The autists of the world would be better served by being called Changelings Again.
aberrant precision (equal attention devoted to all details in a situation) vs aberrant salience (uniquely unequal attention devoted to details in a situation)
This is very intriguing, but I’m struck by the feeling that this theory requires a reductive view of the autism spectrum. For example, the image mentions difficulties with eye contact and understanding other people’s intentions / theory of mind. However, those are not universal autistic traits. Not only do they never emerge for some autistic folks; for others, they dissipate as they age. In fact, some autistic folks *excel* in eye contact and/or understanding others’ intentions, reading body language and subtle prosody cues better than most people. So I’m curious, would that still align with this theory? Or is the reduction necessary for the theory to work?
Yeah I’m totally being reductive here and only highlighting these particular symptoms which I think are important to this theory. The category of autism is so expansive that it’s difficult to unite all the symptoms under a single theory.
Well for whatever dumb reason, it’s easier for my brain to chew on all of this knowing it’s fair to hold the reduction caveat in mind, so thanks for the reply.
Im gonna come back into this- interesting shit bro. This book may be of interest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ordeal_of_Gilbert_Pinfold
I feel some experience in theses areas lately...I have old journals I'm kinda scared to read back on that document my whole times.
wait so you describe the core of schizophrenia as contextual collapse. how would you then describe the core of autism?
a monotropic focus on a singular context that is more specific to the individual rather than the shared context (which could also characterize delusional disorders that center around a single theme and structure all experiences as relating to that theme) see also weak central coherence theory.
I think different genres of contextual collapse is a commonality between autism and schizophrenia, I should have made that more clear.
i love ur writing it’s funny and intelligent 💜 thanks diva
This was an insanely cool read
Saved to read “later” lol
delicious read, perchance.